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May I See Your ID, Please?

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One of the headlines on my local morning news this morning addressed a bill that is before the Florida State Senate. It limits the use of public restrooms by transgender persons.  One legislator says that the bill is to prevent rapes, molestations, voyeurism, and other bathroom crimes.   From the Associated Press:

 

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Transgender women would have to use women’s public bathrooms and transgender men would have to use men’s rooms unless they have a license or passport that proves they’ve completed their transition to their new sex under a bill that passed its first committee.

The House Civil Justice Subcommittee approved the bill Wednesday after listening to more than an hour of emotional testimony from transgender residents who oppose it and supporters who said people shouldn’t be using bathrooms designated for the opposite sex.

Republican Rep. Frank Artiles of Miami said the bill was needed to prevent rapes, molestations, voyeurism and other crimes in bathrooms.

But opponents said the bill was simply a way to discriminate against transgender people.

 

At the end of the news show there was a poll asking what the viewers thought of this legislation.  I took the poll just so I could see the results.  Here they are, folks:

TransPoll

I must say I was a little astonished at the numbers.  I expected it to be the other way around and here’s why:

Are transgendered people more likely to commit any of these crimes than cisgendered people?  How exactly is this going to curtail crime in bathroom facilities?  If a person is a pervert they will still be a pervert after their transition, won’t they?  I would venture to guess that there are more pervy cisgendered people than there are transgendered people. According to transgenderlaw.org :

An estimated 2 to 5% of the population is transgender (i.e., experience some degree of genderdysphoria). The number of people who identify as transsexual and undergo sex-resassignment is smaller. Recent statistics from the Netherlands indicate that about 1 in 12,000 natal males undergo sex-reassignment and about 1 in 34,000 natal females. Over time, the gap between the reportednumbers of MTF and FTM transsexuals is closing.

How will this law be enforced?  Who will police public restrooms and ask for identification?  Isn’t that a violation of privacy?  If a person is dressed as a male how would anyone know that they aren’t one?  Is everyone going to have to produce an ID to go to a public restroom in the state of Florida?  Or will you only be asked for ID if it’s suspected you might not be the gender on the door?  What happens when a effeminate man is asked for his ID upon entering the men’s room?  What happens when a masculine woman is asked for hers when she tries to go into the women’s bathroom?

I’m scratching my head and wondering what on earth people are thinking. Fear is a powerful motivator.  We are afraid of what we don’t understand.  And if you are different we are very afraid of you.  We even imagine sick and twisted things that you will do if you aren’t monitored closely.

Yes, Americans, this is the kind of asinine legislation our lawmakers are spending our tax money on.  I feel safer.  Don’t you?

I’m intrigued, though, so I’m going to have the same poll here.  I’d like to see what you all think.  Is this a stupid as I think it is, or am I being obtuse?

 

Here’s a link to the news story.  I couldn’t, for the life of me, figure out how to embed the video.  http://up.anv.bz/latest/anvload.html?key=eyJtIjoiZ3JheSIsInAiOiJkZWZhdWx0IiwidiI6IjMwNzY0NjkiLCJwbHVnaW5zIjp7ImRmcCI6eyJhZFRhZ1VybCI6Imh0dHA6Ly9wdWJhZHMuZy5kb3VibGVjbGljay5uZXQvZ2FtcGFkL2Fkcz9zej02NDB4NDgwJml1PS8zMDE3MjE3MTUvV0NUViZjaXVfc3pzJmltcGw9cyZnZGZwX3JlcT0xJmFkX3J1bGU9MSZ2cG9zPXByZXJvbGwmZW52PXZwJm91dHB1dD14bWxfdmFzdDImdW52aWV3ZWRfcG9zaXRpb25fc3RhcnQ9MSZjb3JyZWxhdG9yPVt0aW1lc3RhbXBdJmNtc2lkPTc1NSZ2aWQ9QU5WX0dSVFZfMzA3NjkzOSJ9LCJhbmFseXRpY3MiOnsicGRiIjo0NDQyNDE3OX19fQ

 

 

 

 

 

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29 thoughts on “May I See Your ID, Please?

  1. What if people don’t have a driver’s licence?

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    • I think they probably mean, in essence, a state issued ID. Even if you don’t drive and have a driver’s license you’re required to have a valid state issued ID to vote in Florida.

      What if you don’t vote? I have no idea. I can see some pretty graphic scenarios playing out.

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  2. Florida must have an abundance of sex crimes committed by transgendered persons in public bathrooms in order to come up with this kind of legislation. What if the suspect doesn’t have a drivers license? Would they need to carry a birth certificate to show to the PBIs (Public Bathroom Inspectors) upon answering the call of nature? I assume PBIs will be posted at all public facilities in order to be sure everyone is in compliance with this astounding legislation. How much do these legislators get paid? I don’t know, but apparently it’s too much.

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    • A birth certificate wouldn’t really work because if someone has fully transitioned their birth certificate wouldn’t reflect that(at least I don’t think it would).

      See my answer to Roughseas above as to what might happen if one doesn’t have an ID of some kind.

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  3. Surely, surely, surely there are more urgent things the good politicians of your fine state should be concerning themselves with….

    Aside, wasn’t a federal Republican pollie caught doing gay-naughties in an airport toilet a while ago?

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    • I live just across the line in Georgia but do a fair amount of business and/or leisure activities in Florida. I don’t get a vote in Florida, but it just seems so ridiculous.

      I’m frankly surprised they haven’t introduced legislation to ban use of public facilities by anyone.

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  4. Apparently, many people can easily be misled, as you say Ruth, by what they don’t understand. Or what they refuse to accept because it affects their (religious) beliefs.
    Moreover, if this were implemented, wouldn’t it need 24/7 controllers (may they be transgenders?) at the doors of EVERY restroom in the state and, eventually, in the country? Speaking of creative employment…

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  5. Tallahassee has problems with public school funding, and they decide to blow the state budget on this. And I’m still not getting how this will prevent bad conduct once a person gets inside the bathroom. Even worse, the best solution would be to just have people in the bathrooms. No ID, no fuss. Plus, who’s going to stop someone who really needs to go?

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    • I agree, siriusbiznus. I’m just not getting how this is going to be policed. If Florida is having a bathroom crime problem perhaps they should have bathroom attendants so, like you said, there would be no need to ask for ID.

      The whole thing just reeks of discrimination to me. It seems more about “normal” people not wanting to go to the bathroom with a “weirdo” than it does crime.

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  6. “Or will you only be asked for ID if it’s suspected you might not be the gender on the door?” So we, as a society, have evolved from racial profiling to gender profiling. Great.

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  7. god will punish America if you don’t discriminate based on gender and race.
    Who comes up with such legislation?

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  8. Like everyone else says, that is truly bizarre, both pointless and impossible to enforce. It’s the kind of idea that can only be raised to insult and belittle people.

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  9. A waste of money indeed Ruth. What does it matter? It’s like you say, whether they’re transgenders or not, if they want to commit a crime, they will. I think it’s a shame that transgenders should be taken out like this. It’s humiliating.

    Great post. 😀 ♥

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  10. Er … how will they enforce this?

    ”Sorry, officer, I have no ID on me, and I really need to pee!”

    ”Okay, madam, please show me your willy.”

    ‘Say what?”

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  11. This is so shortsighted. Don’t people realize that RIGHT NOW anyone could masquerade as any gender they wish and assault anyone in a public restroom? If they are concerned about this, as siriusbizinus mentioned “just have people in the bathrooms.” This also does not protect against a gay man or a gay woman assaulting a person of the same sex in a bathroom if they were concerned with that. It makes no sense whatsoever.

    And I agree with Jono that there needs to be serious evidence of a problem before you start meddling in people’s privacy like that.

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    • No. Having had more time to think about it this bill seems more ostracizing than even at first glance. More than saying that each gender doesn’t want to be in the bathroom with someone whose equipment is different. To me, the deeper, underlying current is that transgenders aren’t welcome in public at all. I’m just putting myself in the shoes of someone who is transgender here. If I knew I’d likely(or even might be) be asked to produce ID to go to the bathroom I wouldn’t go to a public establishment. The whole thing seems aimed at shaming them into either towing the line and not dressing as they wish or not going out. What these nincompoops do not take into account as that these are actual people, with real feelings, who have likely not ever felt comfortable in their own skin. I can only imagine that it’s hard enough to be brave enough to dress like a woman and go in public if you’re a man(and vice versa). But to have someone, a grown up, adult, no less, point their finger at you and call you out for it? I’m just shaking my head. People have no compassion, no mercy.

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    • I don’t know, ratamacue.

      This post was about a Florida bill but last week Georgia(my home state) came up with it’s own asinine bit of legislation. I’ll post about that soon.

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